john paul ii's is in his casket. in this case i guess they will hold on to it. they put it in a satchel and it will eventually be buried with pope benedict but he will no longer be pope. >> now the cardinals during the preconclave period are not supposed to be campaigning but i would imagine that is what they're doing, fast and furiously, right? >> well, it's a quiet campaign. it's kind of a meet and greet. they look at each other from afar. i remember going to a horse auction when i was a kid. bear with me here. when you go to a horse auction you look at the horses' legs, their mouth, you read the press, you talk to the trainers but you don't talk to the horses. that's sort of the approach. at least that's what they're telling me. they don't go to the man they're directly thinking about who might be a candidate, they talk to friends, they talk to people who know them and begin to form an impression. is this the guy we need now. and that's how it happens. then they go into the conclave and vote. the two-thirds majority, first man to get to the two-thirds majorit